The Roads to Philly and San Diego (Perhaps?), Part I
We sent off a panel proposal (and a linked film proposal) to the International Studies Association (ISA) main conference in San Diego next year and a panel proposal to the ISA-Northeast section conference in Philadelphia in November this year. As yous can see, we are unable to keep to one subject at a time and also if we had actually worked on our dissertations instead of generating enough chat transcripts to fill up nearly 100 pages, we might be finished with the PhD by now. Yous can follow our “progress” and our many (sure to be) trials and tribulations right here, same place, same page, same people. 10:03:26 E: HEY
10:03:36 E: sorry. forgot the caps lock
10:04:05 P: oh
10:04:13 P: was amused
10:04:23 P: i see GS is up too
10:10:30 E: okay, now I've broken it
10:10:40 E: I can't see GS at all
10:10:44 P: what???
10:10:49 P: you are in the wrong window
10:10:51 P: go there
10:11:03 E: I would if it were on my screen, wouldn't I
10:11:22 P: ah...wait
10:11:28 P: i got a message in danish about you in that one
11:04:05 E: no idea.
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11:16:22 E: forgot about that. any responses to the paper request?
11:16:26 P: wait..am reading
11:16:55 P: yes. forget about that i think
11:17:03 P: blast. i can repost but so far has been useless
11:17:20 P: we could put up advert on craigslist:-) and anonymise our addresses
11:17:27 E: huh. maybe we need a different strategy.
11:17:29 P: or email uni depts
11:17:43 P: you have to find someone at g'town
11:17:58 E: sorry, got distracted. just realized that I Ieft an open paren in my yahoo message
11:18:01 P: and i didn't have time to look at people who might be discussants either
11:18:01 E: I hate that
11:18:04 P: chairs i mean
11:18:19 P: i am reading the other elizabeth's email on Yahoo groups
11:18:21 E: right. I'm going to look tomorrow before DialogueMan’s class
11:19:33 P: ok..i will look later on today as am staying here for liv's match
11:19:38 P: which is hopeless
11:19:51 P: but us supporters are always hopoing
11:19:53 P: oops
11:19:56 P: hoping
11:20:07 E: who knows, maybe you hopo too
11:30:19 P: can you solve all my problems?
11:30:24 E: sure, why not.
11:30:26 P: yes, i think
11:31:03 E: we should chat again--I'm not leaving, but have to go find lunch (since no breakfast) and grade these damn papers
11:31:30 E: as for blog, no ideas. I'm posting poetry bc it's the end of national poetry month, but shall have to find something else to say eventually
11:31:38 P: oh ok...i will be here for another five hours
11:31:41 P: s there
11:31:47 P: so there i mean
11:31:55 P: am reading this methoodological proopsal
11:32:02 P: m yspeeling is deteriroationg
11:32:05 P: oops!
11:32:09 E: okay. will post these notes and then wander off for lunch. back later. 11:32:12 P: am eating pizza while typing
11:32:18 E: how sad is it that I still understood all that
11:32:20 P: might be online and need of a break
11:32:40 P: am trying to write art of awful 20 page thingy which has to be given to discussant next week
11:32:46 P: :)
11:32:52 E: yuck. no thanks.
11:33:04 P: part
11:33:08 P: writing part of it
11:33:11 P: not art!
11:33:17 P: kay, enjoy lunch
11:33:27 P: will prob email about methodological thingy
11:33:33 P: am reading it all now
11:33:40 P: and also try find some professor etc
11:33:44 P: for panel
11:33:46 P: bye
11:33:58 E: later
11:34:27 P: k
11:34:27 E (Autoreply): not here. or not admitting it.
12:27:25 P: anyway...will leave for a bit and go try find some t and t person
12:31:10 E: i'm so easily amused
12:31:15 P: ohhh...hehe
12:31:21 P: i am listening to bbc radio, as usual
12:31:48 P: about this chef who got bitten by a venomous brazilian spider when he was unpacking bananas for his pub
12:32:03 P: and then took pic of spider with camera and took that and himself to hospital
12:32:06 P: and was saved
12:32:15 P: fits with pet shop boys
12:32:22 E: cool. i think. not as cool as the pet shop boys, but still
12:32:41 E: people are looking at my funny. i think i may have been singing along
12:32:52 E: me funny. i can't type
12:32:59 P: lol
12:33:08 E: this is how my day is going.
12:33:09 P: might be around in 30 mins for my next break
12:33:22 P: if you are not there, will email you about /if any
12:33:32 P: prospective panel people come up in search
12:33:41 E: ok
12:33:41 P: will look at the DC unis
12:34:03 P: btw, if cute, dark haired guy called ben is about in g'town seminar, leer at him from me :D
12:34:13 E: um, okay.
12:34:21 E: he'll be scared, but what the hell
12:34:32 P: :)
1:00:35 P: just a quick question: where is takoma park (am too lazy to try find it)
1:00:39 P: on red line?
1:00:46 E: yes.
1:00:57 E: around georgia ave, I think
1:00:57 P: ok, thaks.
1:01:01 P: thanks i mean
1:01:16 P: ok..will go back to "work”!
1:10:38 P: sorry..no need to answer if you don't want to but what is an illegal communication strategy?
1:11:05 E: ? context?
1:11:44 P: CONIH – Centre for European Conflict and Identity History invites graduate students to submit essays in Danish or English by 1 May 2006 on one of the following topics: a. Illegal communication strategies during conflicts in 20th century Europe or b. Relations between war and sexuality in 20th century Europe
1:12:34 E: huh. no idea. would assume it's to do with propaganda efforts, but really not sure.
1:12:58 P: that is what i thought but then thought why would they be illegal communication strategies
1:13:04 P: then thought about mata hari type stuff
1:13:16 P: shagging officers to get info
1:13:23 P: but then why is that illegal too
1:13:35 E: maybe. but there are forms of propaganda that aren't allowed--things like reporting prop. as news.
1:13:55 E: also, there was talk with the rwanda genocide about the use of radio being illegal
1:14:06 P: ahhh
1:14:20 P: i see..makes more sense now
1:14:43 E: google doesn't bring anything up. maybe you could ask them for clarification?
1:15:15 P: yes, but this has next year as deadline so not too worried now
1:15:27 P: bye again...(and yes, ignore me if you are working)
1:15:36 P: reposted the panel thing on h-net
1:16:13 E: okay.
1:24:27 E: this is so creepy--I'm copying some stuff from literally a decade ago into a journal, and Nik Kershaw's "wouldn't it be good" comes on--which is the song that I listened to while writing the original entry.
1:24:33 E: am now frightened of dayglo
1:25:03 P: lol
1:25:16 E: and going to buy the song.
1:25:20 P: btw,what was that "thing" you were doing ?
1:25:34 P: is v creepy i think
1:25:45 E: don't remember. meeting with Randombloke, maybe.
1:25:48 E: creepy, yes.
1:25:50 P: thing in email..you wrote something about having a thing or something
1:25:56 P: Randombloke who?
1:25:59 P: oh Randombloke
1:26:11 P: damn and i wanted to know about mysterious thing
1:26:12 E: yeah, that was a meeting with Randombloke about the systems project
1:26:25 E: not exciting--hence my abuse of the word thing
1:26:45 E: now listening to pop music--was talking about dayglo--thin kthey may be stalking me.
1:27:04 E: if they start playing "somebody's watching me" next, I'm turning it off
1:27:23 P: ah
1:27:32 P: or sting
1:27:43 E: either one. I've got their number now.
1:27:43 P: creepy all around then
1:27:55 P: off to write about nepal as a zone of peace
1:27:59 E: have fun
1:28:14 P: fun fun fun
1:28:21 P: still over an hour for match to start
1:30:03 P: btw was so desperate for a book that bought bill bryson as an ebook then found out that ebooks can't be printed (damn) and that my computer at home does not have latest version of adobe (so ebook can’t be read at home)
1:30:16 E: that sucks.
1:30:17 P: so have to read ebook at uni sitting on uncomfy chair
1:30:23 P: just thought i would share that
1:30:26 E: and therefore have defeated the purpose
1:30:38 P: indeed!
1:30:39 E: you should get some stuff from gutenberg
1:30:42 P: absolutely!
1:30:45 E: at least it's free.
1:30:50 P: ah well..less than two months...
1:30:55 E: and text file, so no adobe needed
1:31:03 P: yes, but most of the "classics", the library does have
1:31:14 P: ah...just wanted something "lighter"
1:31:24 E: okay. getit now.
1:31:35 P: blast...off again...am getting queasy feelings about footy
1:57:40 P: don't like anyone in SAIS to ask to be discussant/chair for T and T
1:57:45 P: (jus thought i would share that)
1:58:06 E: okay. what about the hopkins school of public health?
1:58:29 P: looking...am at gt security thingy now but will go back
1:58:45 E: no hurry. just a thought
1:59:10 P: am procrastinating..might as well be useful :)
1:59:14 P: back in a bit
1:59:17 E: k
1:59:24 P: (feel free to ignore if you are working)
2:00:31 P: Dr. B’s research is focused on the development and application of statistical methods and models in epidemiology
2:00:36 P: he has good teeth
2:01:05 P: blah...stats guy
2:01:49 E: we may need to use a stats guy. wish I could remember who Weberman suggested
2:01:56 E: knew I should have written it down
2:02:05 P: He is currently using computational approaches to develop simulations and predictive models of infectious disease epidemiology and evolution, focusing on dengue, measles, and other epidemic virus diseases.
2:02:11 P: this one seems better
2:02:14 P: OH NO
2:02:30 P: damn msn. maybe a subliminal message that blasted chelsea will win'
2:02:35 P: (back to red)
2:02:38 E: ?
2:03:06 P: suddenly became blue when i accidentally pressed colour (blue being colour of hated team)
2:03:17 P: btw, the second guy is donald b..ring any bells?
2:03:22 E: i cannot write with ballpoint pen. this is ridiculous.
2:03:29 E: yes--db at jh?
2:03:46 P: yes
2:03:51 P: he writes things like this
2:03:55 P: Development and application of a high-throughput HIV type 1 genotyping assay to identify CRF02_AG in West/West Central Africa. Aids Research and Human Retroviruses
2:04:08 E: hmm. maybe not.
2:04:16 P: Travelling waves in the occurrence of dengue haemorrhagic fever in Thailand.
2:04:18 E: bc I don't know what that says
2:04:19 P: and this
2:04:36 P: induction of high avidity CTL by altering the balance of signals from APC
2:04:52 P: ditch b then...and he would prob laugh at us
2:04:53 E: um. not a lot of IR stuff, I take it
2:05:07 P: prob with these being that public health folk might not go to ISA
2:05:09 P: NE esp
2:05:23 E: we need a polisci person doing disease and terrorism
2:05:30 E: does such a person exist?
2:05:42 P: nosocomial infections
2:05:51 P: am moving away from public health dept now
2:06:11 E: yeah, nosocomial infections are not quite what I had in mind
2:06:22 E: interesting, but not a big IR thing
2:06:28 P: none of them seem to do IR stuff
2:06:42 P: back off to gtown security
2:06:58 P: (though think you in person would be a better recruiting agent :-))
2:07:56 E: happy to try that as well--but it would help if Iknew who I was looking for
2:08:18 E: otherwise will simply wander gtown corridors during finals week
2:08:18 P: nobody in public policy
2:08:24 P: (still at JHU)
2:08:25 E: hardly seems effective
2:08:31 P: nah..ask Weberman :D
2:08:41 P: but will check them now
2:08:43 E: yeah, cause he's not sick of me yet.
2:09:43 P: no. he isn't
2:09:47 P: wait..am looking
2:10:53 P: nobody in pol sci either
2:11:44 E: bleh. this doesn't bode well.
2:12:10 P: also, i think a lot of GW people go to ISA NE
2:12:15 P: will check them out after GT
2:12:38 E: cool. what about outside dc? penn state or pitt?
2:12:51 P: good point
2:13:03 P: ok..one at a time...will leave GT to you
2:13:08 P: then going to GWU now
2:15:03 P: still at GT
2:15:19 P: there is a bloke who teaches a class on unconventional weapons including biological and health stuff
2:15:49 E: sounds promising
2:16:05 P: kai something
2:16:10 P: (his name)
2:16:32 E: that narrows it right down.
2:17:12 P: kai-henrik b
2:17:21 P: but the syllabus is v limited
2:17:48 P: but no one else seems to do biological/terror stuff
2:18:26 E: hmm. let me check ssrn and see what's been published lately.
2:18:33 P: there is one on biotechnology and security
2:19:03 P: Biotechnology and Its Broader Impact on Security
Week 7: Health and human security/Global Public Health
i. Infectious disease – can biotechnology advances significantly improve our changes in the battle against microorganisms
2:19:08 P: how about this one?
2:19:21 P: ii. Disparate care – as wealthy countries leverage biotechnology develoents what does that mean for global social structure and security?
2:19:53 P: stephanie loranger
2:19:56 E: this is barth's syllabus?
2:20:09 E: oh, loranger. she might be a good one
2:20:10 P: no that is loranger
2:20:16 P: barth i think is useless
2:20:43 E: okay.
2:20:46 E: hold on.
2:20:48 P: she is an adjunct..no contact details
2:21:56 E: nothing in ssrn
2:22:23 P: am looking for her
2:22:46 P: L, Stephanie Project Director...
2:22:54 P: not sure if it is latest
2:23:24 P: since she is not an academic, she might not go to ISA (esp NE as i said)
2:23:40 E: maybe not. but this is promising: Dr. Stephanie Loranger is Biology Issues Project Director at the Federation of American Scientists (FAS), a non-profit organization focused on the use of science of technology.
2:24:21 P: yes, that is where i got the info on her
2:24:25 P: the contact
2:24:30 P: am now at penn state
2:24:45 P: (well, virtually...were you working btw? in which case, please ignore me :-))
2:25:24 E: was, but GS is taking a break too, so have been writing to both of you
2:25:31 E: will get back to work eventually
2:25:41 P: oh i see...sneaky
2:25:45 E: still have the ballpoint pen issue to fix first
2:25:46 P: will get used to being ignored
2:25:52 P: :)
2:25:58 P: am now at penn state, as i said.
2:26:09 P: nothing on security but they have a pol science thing am looking at
2:27:08 E: should think you would appreciate being ignored instead of attacked 2:27:17 P: lol...true
2:27:22 P: but i like fights, i think
2:27:35 P: i don't think the danes/poles/germans do
2:27:40 P: :D
2:27:49 E: at least, not academic ones
2:28:38 P: yes...don't seem to understand you can have a good fight and yet maybe go for a beer
2:28:52 P: am at pol sci dept of penn state
2:29:30 E: virtually, of course.
2:29:41 E: too bad you can't get frequent flyer miles for this
2:29:44 P: :)
2:29:47 P: of course
2:29:54 P: indeed...would be v useful
2:31:37 P: no useless, i think. bunch of quant people (but/and) nobody doing useful things, i think
2:37:01 P: nothing
2:38:39 E: damn. we should open a chatroom again
2:39:54 E: can't get a group to open. one of you will have to do it
2:40:34 P: k
2:40:49 P: everything i have is in danish
2:40:55 P: no idea what to do
2:40:59 E: will ask GS to do it.
2:41:14 P: k
2:43:15 P: am i missing something?
2:43:28 E: no. trying to get it open
2:43:55 P: i will try decipher danish
2:44:46 P: can't
2:45:02 E: so the lessons aren't successful, then?
2:45:21 P: no! can barely say hello :)
2:45:55 E: GS has to go for a bit. will you stil be around in 45 minutes or so?
2:47:29 P: yes
2:47:44 E: we'll try to do the chat then
2:47:46 P: match just starting...will give me time to finish revising this awful section of power
2:47:51 P: paper
2:47:53 P: k
2:47:58 E: until then, will go grade for a while
2:48:03 E: ugh.
2:48:04 P: have fun
2:48:11 E: not funny.
2:48:34 P: might be...inadvertently hilarious
2:48:39 P: bye for now
2:48:45 P: back in 45 mins
2:48:55 E: remind me to talk about the herman units of suspicion then
2:49:07 E: i'm going to blog it, but want reactions first
2:49:11 P: what are those? ok will remind
2:49:35 P: k..in 45 mins
3:19:28 E: argh. blogger broken
3:20:05 E: can you post it?
3:20:14 P: wait up
3:20:45 E: going to print it and put it up in office. brb
3:21:37 P: k
3:34:47 P: nearly half time
3:34:48 E: don't want to grade.
3:34:52 E: hate grading
3:34:56 E: but will do it anyway
3:36:52 P: ok...will be online for another hour and then will run for bus
ok..will be here for another hour
3:36:58 P: sorry. sometimes it is fun to be labelled (and self constitute as other)
3:40:59 P: kay, leaving you alone for a while now
3:41:30 E: back to work, i promise.
3:41:59 P: btw, blogger is working so am putting up the higher ed thingy...what to call it?
3:44:48 P: title? deconstructing obstructions
3:44:58 P: sorry...my brain is sleeping ... title?
3:45:22 E: sounds like a winner to me.
3:45:47 P: it's your fault..
3:46:04 E: what is?
3:47:48 P: title..it is on
3:47:56 P: makes me feel like i did work though i didn't
3:48:03 P: can i put up a poem too?
3:48:22 E: don't see why not. if you want. i just throw up whatever strikes my fancy
3:48:28 E: seems to be working
3:48:47 P: indeed..ok. go back to grading
3:48:57 P: liv are back for second half (well, other team is back too)
4:10:06 E: hey, are you araound?
4:10:17 E: did you fall in a hole?
4:10:23 E: are liv losing>
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4:30:43 E: hey, what's up with your login?
10:46:41 E: so we could ask James F to chair the panel
10:47:05 P: shite!
10:47:09 P: you scared me!
10:47:24 P: i like nick k
10:47:28 P: and sarah
10:47:37 P: james f scares the hell out of me
10:47:50 P: am just finishing email so will send that off
10:47:56 E: me too. but he;d be a great name to have on the program
10:49:59 P: is he really that famous? he just looks disturbing :)
10:50:18 P: but i thought you'd like the king bloke since he is in epidemiology
10:50:27 P: btw, are you in gtown?
10:51:19 E: He's well-known enough that HRDiva knew who I meant. No, gtown is this afternoon. I do like K, but F has already expressed interest. Weberman also suggested C (from JH) and somebody else. D, maybe?
10:51:56 E: I don't think we're looking for famous--just established. And West Point would be a cool school to have a rep from.
10:52:01 P: oh, daniel d, prob
10:52:11 P: ah..ok
10:52:12 E: yeah. that's it.
10:52:20 P: i like k just because he has cool pics on his web site
10:52:31 P: (not of him but of sceneries)
10:52:39 P: so ok..sounds good
10:52:50 P: should i find this c bloke? though i sort of told K okay too
10:52:55 P: (sheesh!)
10:53:19 P: sorry
10:53:32 E: wait, k as chair?
10:53:33 P: hopefully he will reject it
10:53:40 P: no no
10:53:44 P: just to be ON the panel, not the chair
10:54:00 P: chair should be the terror guy (mainly because i just hope he has a sense of humour)
10:54:01 E: that's not a problem ,then--we get a total of five people.
10:54:13 P: not sure if k will be there
10:54:22 P: so still have c and d to email
10:54:47 E: F's pubs start in 1995.
10:54:59 E: wait, 1994--MA thesis
10:55:36 P: can i say *systems modelling to look at diseases* you
10:56:28 E: should I ask F about being on the panel, since he's not really been around that long? he's an assistant professor.
10:57:14 P: why not? but if he is some scary bloke who is scary then i will just cower down and yell for Activistbloke
10:57:17 P: :)
10:57:37 E: he sounds okay. lots of recent pubs on terrorism.
10:57:40 P: i told the sarah woman that isa ne was prob not worth flying across the atlantic for but to let us know if she wants to be involved in isa actual
10:57:43 E: Research abstracts site
10:58:10 P: and i am telling the k guy that he should let us know if he wants to join, to let us know or if he wants to do the isa thing instead to let us know
10:58:24 E: makes sense.
10:58:38 P: yes, i read up on f (have not been doing any other work though i did apply to that canada conference you sent me. thanks)
11:00:10 E: Do you have a title for your paper yet?
11:00:20 P: i figure if people put their last name, they want to be called Dr blah blah but, after being in aalborg and calling everybody by first names, am ignoring that rule
11:00:28 P: let us ask forest to be chair then
11:00:39 E: You think? Now I'm not sure.
11:00:43 E: no for isa
11:01:01 P: oh
11:01:17 P: what the hell!"
11:01:20 P: sorry...
11:01:28 P: just had this awful song come on the radio
11:01:49 P: so, wait. yes to f to be chair or no?
11:01:56 P: i am looking for C and D
11:02:11 E: can't decide. he's sort of in-between new scholar and established
11:02:35 P: yes
11:02:40 E: it would be like having Weberman on panel
11:02:40 P: but you said west point would be good
11:02:45 P: i just find his eyes scary
11:02:49 E: it would--but he'd be on either way
11:02:54 P: :-)
11:03:01 P: good point
11:03:18 P: wait..looking for D, etc and just got message back from the canada terrorism thing
11:03:29 P: where the man calls me *dear ms D* though i signed off as priya
11:04:29 P: reckon ISA NE is really really low key
11:04:32 E: I think f looks okay. w has scary eyes.
11:04:34 P: just a place to hang out and whinge
11:04:39 P: so we should practice
11:04:43 P: who is w now?
11:04:56 E: on the same page as the photo of f
11:05:18 P: oh ok..lol
11:05:22 P: can't find any cs
11:06:13 E: like the email to Nick--is the ISA deadline really that soon? argh.
11:06:14 P: can't find DD either but just remembered of him
11:06:25 P: we had to read him for my postgrad..he does stuff on environment
11:06:44 P: yes!!! and i will be busy from 23 may onwards since have friend coming to visit
11:06:55 P: so the panel should be sorted out by then
11:07:04 P: oh good. i thought maybe email was too chatty
11:07:08 E: absolutely. should I mention ISA to forest as well?
11:07:23 P: yay cure
11:07:26 P: yes
11:07:43 P: he might be keen to go
11:07:50 E: you were complaining about Elvis costello before? for shame!
11:07:52 P: but maybe not ask him to be chair at ISA
11:07:59 P: i know..some EC annoys me [Note: I take this comment back totally completely absolutely and beg EC for forgiveness ever since reading
this]
11:08:07 P: but was v happy to have INXS
11:08:13 E: how would that work? I'm thinking we should just ask him to be on it.
11:08:18 P: because was obsessed with INXS at that time
11:08:23 P: oh ok
11:08:35 P: yes, i thought we could ask them all to be on it and then ask (later) one of them to be chair
11:08:45 E: ah. good idea. will do that.
11:08:49 P: no, don't have paper title for ISA but would just recycle this rubbish i am doing
11:09:09 P: looking at how terrorists was deployed to construct british insecurity during (choose event of choice)
11:09:51 P: Daniel D’s research includes the new politics of the environment, state sovereignty as a social construct, republican liberalism during the American Union 1787-1861, and geopolitics as historical security materialism. Most recently, he co-edited Contested Grounds: Security and Conflict in the New Environmental Politics.
11:09:53 E: okay. you should talk about it in relation to the potato famine, or something.
11:09:56 P: don't see how that would work
11:10:24 P: lol...yes prob
11:10:28 E: hmm. it's probably the security thing. thought Weberman said something about his new nook
11:10:30 E: book
11:10:36 P: but the IRA (or whoever) were bolsheviks during the partition
11:10:42 P: nook
11:10:46 P: :)
11:10:51 E: could be nook as well.
11:10:57 P: found c too...he is often quoted in "my" literature
11:11:07 E: that's good.
11:11:11 P: but he is pol theory
11:11:19 E: hmm.
11:11:20 P: not too sure about good
11:11:36 P: Neuropolitics: Thinking, Culture, Speed (2002)
11:11:39 P: last book
11:11:52 E: ? that doesn't sound right. how does that fit in?
11:12:11 P: book before that: Why I am not a secularist
11:12:20 P: he does stuff on new frontiers and all that type of thingy
11:12:34 E: maybe Weberman's thinking of someone else.
11:12:41 P: but i think we have to have a set of people for ISA NE and then maybe branch out further for iSA since ISA will have more people
11:12:44 P: going
11:12:47 P: maybe
11:13:23 P: by set i just mean chair really
11:13:31 P: because we can have us (of course) and a couple of others
11:13:35 P: and then the chair
11:14:27 E: can I use your general topic (terror discorse NI) in my email to forest?
11:14:38 P: yes
11:15:43 P: i did not even ask you about yours to king
11:20:19 P: anyway, so the H Net post was a good idea. the first time, it didn’t go through
11:20:33 P: yes, the same here
11:20:40 P: that is why i am scared of my blasted presentation
11:20:46 P: anyway...so forest emailed?
11:21:09 E: almost. am trying to figure out how to describe my paper.
11:22:08 P: you have a paper? yay
11:22:34 P: cc me too so i can put that in in future emails (notice how my confidence about more people answering advert is growing)
11:22:36 E: umm, no. i have a potential paper. a wave function of a paper, if you will.
11:22:52 P: lol
11:22:59 E: but that's enough at this point. by the end of the summer, i will have an actual paper
11:23:04 E: i hope.
11:23:10 P: btw, should i email either d or c to ask if they wil be around at ISA NE/ actual ISA
11:23:24 P: me too
11:23:34 P: i liked the philosophical essay thing, esp as it involved cash :D
11:23:36 E: probably. which one first?
11:23:49 P: ohhh...StructureMan cc-d me his evaluation of me
11:24:07 E: was it a good one?
11:24:11 P: well, d, i think because he at is doing nature stuff (simon will prob know him)
11:24:23 P: makes me seem like a different person
11:24:33 P: says i am superior
11:24:36 E: huh. is that good or bad?
11:24:39 P: :p
11:24:43 E: superior to whom?
11:24:54 P: who knows
11:25:00 P: everybody
11:25:11 P: no, it is v nice, actually
11:25:16 P: anyway...enough of that.
11:25:31 E: okay. still having trouble deciding how to describe what I'm doing.
11:25:35 P: so should i email deudney then (am feeling in mood to procrastinate...though should you not be at gøtown?)
11:25:42 E: and have to go get ready for gtown
11:25:43 P: it must be noon
11:25:48 E: 11:30.
11:25:56 P: oh..right
11:26:14 P: i am expecting full report of the thingy and of people involved and also of H2G2 movie
11:26:17 P: :)
11:26:24 E: righ-o
11:26:28 E: right-o
11:26:39 P: will email d after i get your message since then will know what you are doing
11:26:45 P: got that
11:27:55 P: would be sad if no one wanted to join us
11:28:07 E: yes. but we'd get over it.
11:28:09 P: (weather is depressing outside so like using sad a lot)
11:28:55 P: lol
11:28:58 P: i suppose so
11:29:19 P: i really like your radio channel
11:38:22 E: okay. have sent email. off to get ready for gtown
11:42:36 P: i guess you are gone now
11:43:11 P: enjoy g'town and don't forget to email me !
1:43:56 P: are you not at g'town? i want to be there too!
1:44:30 E: yeah. it was lunch--much shouting and arguing. you'd love it.
1:44:53 P: lol..i wanted to be there after reading your email
1:45:10 E: it's getting fun. I love pushing buttons.
1:45:23 P: here, shouting is actively discouraged and i find i am now persona non grata (is that the term) after my shouting at methodological seminar
1:45:31 P: goody. what have you been doing?
1:45:44 P: are there lots of people?
1:46:41 E: during lunch: 1) does constructivism have content that would dictate policy, 2) how does reworking canon texts (Thucydides) position you in the discipline, 3) is Abbott right about single fractals.
1:46:46 E: 15 ppl'
1:47:01 E: this is so much more fun than similar things I've been to at AU
1:47:24 P: lol..i told you the people there seem to be into interesting theory stuff
1:47:29 P: my class there was fun
1:47:39 P: wish they would do it when i was there though
1:48:12 E: you'd be right at home. now we've moved on to security as rules
1:48:24 P: oh yippee!
1:48:29 E: right.
1:48:33 P: blast that i am missing it :(
1:48:38 E: okay, going to take some notes.
1:48:56 E: will be checking in occassionally. Weberman promises webcast next year.
1:49:03 P: ok..and send please. when you have time. enjoy rest of weekend
1:49:12 E: will do.
1:49:21 P: ohhh...exciting. what a waste of time though since will most likely be hanging out unempleyed in DC at that time
1:49:38 P: off to work on blasted phd proposal which i want to send off by tomorrow
1:49:43 P: which sucks
1:49:47 E: have fun with that.
1:50:00 E: am going to get yelled at tomorrow over fractal thing
1:50:12 P: what did you say?
1:50:28 P: (well, i guess you can email about that later)
1:50:53 E: abbot is wrong. it's multiple fractalizations that tell you something useful. implication is that weber's ideal types are not that helpful
1:51:17 P: lol..yes you are so wrong
1:52:00 E: I'm not. but I'm going to have to think of a reason why.
1:52:11 P: email later...off to work (nearly 8 and have not yet started since spent over an hour playing online)
1:52:24 P: but you must have had a reason when discussing it :D
1:52:35 E: ok. and I did, but I need a better one.
1:52:38 P: can't contribute since have forgotten abbott and no abbott about here
1:52:49 P: ah...difficult.
1:53:09 P: i am trying to decide if using other people's concept (security imaginary) can be considered original in my PHD
1:53:19 P: will put it in anyway and see what Weberman thinks
1:53:52 E: sounds like a plan. apparently, I need a big legitimating german.
1:54:15 P: or a big legitimating somebody
1:54:39 E: bors?
1:54:53 P: oohhhh...a great dane
1:54:58 P: oops. that didn’t come out right
1:55:11 P: bohrs? or is this some other person i don't know of
1:55:29 E: papers from this are online:
http://homepage.mac.com/onyxdr/r_c/1:55:34 E: password ehcarr
1:55:37 P: oh exciting
1:55:42 P: lol..carr
1:55:42 E: and yes, that one.
1:56:14 P: i thought he was a constructivisit
1:56:25 P: now that sounds like an eye disease
1:56:56 P: but don't know enough about him to comment though was planning on reading (of) him when i was trying to use QG and shotter together but have no time for that now
1:57:14 P: until next week...
1:57:22 P: okay..off..will be online though
1:57:36 P: since have decided am not leaving Uni till i get part of this awful thingy written
1:58:26 E: okay. wait, are we talking about bohrs, the physicist?
1:58:44 P: i thought we were
1:58:58 E: okay. just checking. thrown by the aw question
1:58:59 P: but then i don't know enough (of) him
1:59:08 P: that was an aside
1:59:20 E: ah. now i get it.
2:00:00 P: off....need to write SOMETHIng. have managed to do nothing except eat a box of danish cookies while sitting on arse
2:00:07 P: so i guess have to work for a while now
2:00:15 E: okay. will send notes tomorrow.
2:00:24 P: oh yes, please
2:00:27 P: i miss yellings
2:00:48 P: anybody who might go to the ISA NE? look out for them too
2:01:03 E: someone said "why don't you all go be good constructivists, instead of bothering with this r-c stuff"
2:01:26 E: doesn't look like it. couple of pure security papers, but no terrorism or disease
2:01:27 P: ohhh...i like that someone
2:01:35 P: but then what is the fun
2:01:48 P: if you go off and play in your sandbox
2:01:48 E: it didn't go down well.
2:01:54 P: instead of messing up others'?
2:02:01 E: exactly.
2:02:09 E: he was also pushing buttons
2:02:12 P: sandbox metaphors now
2:02:36 E: it was tug of war earlier. there's also been mention of pooh, harry potter, and peter pan
2:02:39 E: its a theme
2:02:45 P: oh, i was typing about f...(ISA NE) and telling him that he should be part of our panel anyway for ISA since he has more chance with two applications rather than with one (boring, roots of terrorism rubbish) one
2:02:55 P: lol...sounds so fun.
2:03:14 P: peter pan not too sure about, HP i like in book form, pooh have no comment
2:03:15 E: ooh--pathology of ontological security
2:03:30 P: what???
2:03:31 E: now i'm interested, going to listen
2:03:43 P: ok.go. send notes later
2:03:52 P: we still prob need one more person on ISA panel
2:03:59 P: but will talk about that some other time?
2:04:02 E: right.
2:04:13 P: i still want to be there now
2:04:22 P: but will temporarily quit whingeing
2:04:26 P: bye for how
2:05:43 E: bye
2:20:35 E: do we really need another person for isa ne panel? we have four, right? and forest could chair (not sure if he would)
2:20:54 E: we do prbly need more for san diego
2:21:08 P: wait...three
2:21:13 P: not four
2:21:22 P: and we have two (us) for san diego
2:21:23 E: ? no on k?
2:21:29 P: no response yet.
2:21:57 E: okay. so three, maybe four.
2:22:00 P: think he might think we (well, I) was not enthusiastic enough. and i looked him up. he seems a bit too posh to hang out with students (yes, preconceptions, again)
2:22:17 E: isn't he a post-doc?
2:22:19 P: and only us for ISA
2:22:26 P: which is actually the more imp one
2:22:33 P: professor, i think?
2:22:54 P: but posh unis, etc etc. Not poor TUWSNBN :D
2:22:58 E: no, he's a post-doc
2:23:17 P: oh ok...then less imp.
2:24:12 E: more worried about the total history bkgd
2:24:36 P: what? what are you on about?
2:24:38 E: maybe you should send along the info from f?
2:24:52 P: to k?
2:24:54 E: he's coming straight from history--so is ISA useful for him?
2:25:01 E: yes.
2:25:08 P: who f or k?
2:25:17 E: wait, let me start again
2:25:25 P: ISA could be useful (all those nutters there) ISA NE wonøt be prob
2:25:34 P: k
2:25:44 E: 1) shd we send f info to k, who is straight history and tf maybe not as interested in isa
2:25:58 E: and certainly not isa ne
2:26:12 E: to help convince him that it isn't just us
2:26:22 P: we could. but don't want to seem desperate (this is getting bizarre!)
2:26:53 E: hm. okay. thought about it as an "here's an update on the conference participants"
2:26:57 P: 1. okay. will send info on f to k but wait till next week
2:27:29 P: okay. will do that. i have your email about f i think so will send that on
2:27:36 E: okay.
2:28:00 P: (would be nice if we could meet this bloke f just to make sure that he knows what he is geting into. i am still worried about the root causes of terrorism :))
2:28:14 P: and then i have a no. 2
2:28:43 P: should we tell f that he should (lots of shoulds) still stay on our panel for ISA too since he has more chance of getting in and can even do two things
2:29:01 P: he seemed to be under the impression (from that email) that he could only do one thing
2:29:37 E: planning to check with Weberman tomorrow and make sure on that, and then sending a follow-up
2:30:12 P: ok. good
2:30:28 P: will send that email to k now then.
2:30:36 P: and i guess sarah h is out of it
2:30:41 P: :)
2:31:18 E: seems that way to me.
2:32:23 P: ok..off to do emailing/procrastination
2:33:02 E: okay. have fun. guy from earlier poking people with a stick again.
2:33:14 P: what???
2:33:16 E: "security is province of realism" is so 1990s
2:33:25 P: this whole thing is sounding even more bizarre
2:33:30 E: good word for it
2:33:32 P: oh...figuratively, not literally
2:33:34 P: phew
2:33:42 P: is that what he said? true
2:33:49 E: right. no physical stick in the room
2:33:53 E: is a discourse stick
2:34:03 E: *poke poke*
2:34:06 P: lol...
2:34:10 E: you’re talking crap
2:34:31 P: horrible vision of foucault and poking (okay mind in gutter now. off to do work)
2:34:41 E: right. good plan.
2:56:35 P: just to tell you that i am now reading peter's paper and it is v like this blasted paper i am doing in my seminar. hmm...(except i don’t do rules and witty-ish things)
2:56:37 E (Autoreply): trying to decide what a conversationalist would look like
2:57:00 E: so not really like it at all...
2:58:05 P: lol..no
2:58:29 P: do conversationalists have ontological presuppositions of any kind?
2:59:24 E: I have no idea. It was offered as an alternative to the problematic concept of r-c
2:59:42 P: oh.
2:59:51 P: that seems like avoiding the issue
3:00:20 P: since it would include too many examples (after all, who is not a conversationalist?)
3:00:25 P: ok. gone again
3:00:34 E: ok
3:04:09 E: no, peter's now talking about material results of discursive choices. you are similar
3:04:42 P: oh i see.
3:04:55 P: paper printed out. can be my bedtime reading tonight.
3:04:58 P: if i ever get home
3:05:23 E: right. mine too, so that I can think about this stuff before wine and desserts tomorrow
3:06:20 P: ohhh..desserts
3:06:32 P: you just put that in to remind me i ate an entire BOX full of danish cookies
3:06:36 E: yeah. trying to figure out what to make
3:06:38 P: while sitting on arse
3:06:44 P: BOX
3:06:59 P: yummy squash thingy
3:07:03 E: not a big box?
3:07:03 P: yummy bean thingy
3:07:12 E: ? those are not desserts
3:07:23 P: (why are all my memories of american food from your place?)
3:07:27 P: true
3:07:32 P: big box
3:07:35 P: cookies
3:07:50 E: bc we didn't have dinner parties at anyone else's house
3:07:59 E: too bad about big box of cookies.
3:08:00 P: true :D
3:08:10 E: they have v good sandwiches here
3:08:19 E: turkey and cranberry sauce
3:08:44 P: ohh...turkey and cranberry sauce
3:08:48 P: stop talking about food!
3:09:01 E: brownies
3:09:05 E: potato salad
3:09:15 E: fruit kabobs
3:09:23 P: ohhhhhh...definitely drooling now
3:09:29 P: oh...little fruits on sticks
3:09:35 E: also, talk of ontological security
3:09:39 P: the chair of government dept is rather fun
3:09:45 E: slightly surreal
3:10:03 P: perfect for H2G2 watching
3:10:11 E: now the ontological insecurity of talking about ontological security
3:10:25 E: my head hurts
3:10:29 P: what is ontological security? makes it seem v secure
3:10:49 P: i want yummy fruit kabob style food too
3:11:09 P: ah well...am now confused over where my discourse is located (for phd proposal, not MY discourse)
3:11:13 P: oh i see
3:11:42 E: would like to point out the notes I have in bold: multiple levels of discourse in this conversation: papers, IM, physical discussion (words and gestures, location and rules, private conversations)
3:12:05 E: leads to strange shifts in the "public" discourse in the room
3:12:31 P: ah. can i use that as my methodological plan? shoon will prob stick flying dart in me
3:13:00 E: makes sense to me. also, see my post about throwing foam balls
3:13:02 P: which i shall parry with my halberd
3:13:14 P: did. was entertained
